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とりあえず⦠- number9 - 04-05-2004
日本語で書き込みしたい人は、
ここでしましょう。
さてさて
、最近の話題と言えば六本木ヒ
ルズの殺人自動回転ドアなんだ
けど、どう考えても社会の反応
が過敏なんだよね。センサーを
正しく取り付ける事を強制すれ
ばいいだけの事なのに、回転ド
アの使用中止や建築中のビルで
は設計変更してるんだもんね。
はぁ、相変わらず単独イベント
に左右されやすい国だなぁ
<img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/hmm.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':hmm:' />
とりあえず⦠- BabyDragon01 - 04-10-2004
Yikes!
私の漢字を練習しなくちゃいけ
ない。。。先のポースト分から
なかった <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />
とりあえず⦠- number9 - 04-10-2004
Hmm.. the forum didn't like me writing Japanese in Opera..
The problem is, my XP IE6 won't let me
read this thread. It gives me a blank page as "completed". By looking at the source for the page, I
can see that it had no trouble downloading it, so it must be the browser <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />
とりあえず⦠- Nez - 04-10-2004
Your Japanese
shows up fine on my computer.
As for the topic, this is my crappy translation:
"For those who
would like to write Japanese, let this be the place to do it.
Well well, in a recent story a Ropongi
Hills resident died because of an automatic revolving door. Every which way you think about it, society... (I
don't understand the rest of the sentence). This accident could have been easily prevented if the sensor had
been correctly installed... (once again, I don't really understand the rest of the sentence). Japan is a
place that is easily "rocked" by a... (bah, forget it, I'm a crappy
interpreter)."
‚ ‚ÌA‚¿‚å‚Á‚Æ–l‚Ì“ú–{Œê‚ð‚¾‚Á‚Ä‚‚¾‚³‚¢B‚Æ‚‚ÉŠ¿Žš‚Ì“Ç‚Ý•û‚È‚Ç...
Nez
9;s Translation:
Ummm, a little help with my Japanese please. Especially my kanji...
とりあえず⦠- Nez - 04-10-2004
Damn, my
Japanese comes out funny unless I manually set the encoding to shift JIS.
WHY?? For the love of god,
WHY???! <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/shutup.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':gag:' />
とりあえず⦠- Yuriko - 04-10-2004
日本語のスレッドなのに、英語
で書くのはごめんなさい。私の
日本語が不器用だから。。。笑
わないで下さい。。。 <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' />
恥ずかしいぃ～。。。。。
To add
to Nez's translation, with my very very poor Japanese ability, as I got it, number9 thinks society is
overreacting and that it was a single case, since it happened because the door of the Roppongi Hills (I suppose
the newly built center), stopped during reconstructioning or something?!
But it actually doesn't make
sense, what I wrote, so maybe number9 himself could....*ahem*... pleeeeeease?! <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wait:' />
I saw an article on the frontpage of the asahi, but after looking
at the picture and reading it over very quickly, but was to lazy to read it properly.
But if I remember
correctly, we had a little child squashed in a door in Germany, I just tried to find an article, but
haven't suceeded yet. I'll keep on searching...
Nez, you're using a mac with direct input?
とりあえず⦠- Nez - 04-11-2004
Yeah,
I'm using a Mac but the reason for my funny encoding is my cursed web browser Safari. Safari has some real
issues with text input because when I post a message on Yahoo groups, the message is displayed with some really
weird formatting.
I've decided that for inputting Japanese from my Mac, I'm going to use Camino
because
このブラウザーは日本語インプ
ットをさしてくれるから。 <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='^_^' />
Nez&#
39;s Translation:
This browser will let me input Japanese without problems.
とりあえず⦠- number9 - 04-11-2004
When I
try to write Japanese in XP+Opera, I get this:
?????????????
Actually, what I wrote in my edited
English post originally was that... the attention of the Japanese public has completely shifted over to Iraq
now. Japanese mass media and public are very similar to America in that they tend to only focus on one issue at
a time.
But it came out all garbled so I edited to complain about my browser environment. I guess I gotta
try Netscape or something...
As for my original post. That's more or less what I wrote. Along with
the line of thought that what the media and public should be focusing on is to ensure there's proper sensor
requirements (industry regulation, likely) that ensure that the entire revolving door space is covered by the
sensors, not just the top and bottom. Instead, everyone's panicking and even removing revolving doors from
future buildings that are still under construction or planning (the building owner can make it mandatory
for the sensors to cover 100%, and after this incident the door makers should be ensuring this anyways... but
maybe it's still bad publicity to have "deathly revolving doors"... but I doubt the Japanese
public would care about it 3 years in the future with a new building opening in 2007.)
とりあえず⦠- Nez - 04-11-2004
We learn in
engineering that different countries value human life differently. In Australia, we value human lives very
highly so safety is paramount. I think Japan isn't a country renowned for its safety. Safety costs money and
that would mean a blow to the economy.
If the Japanese government really cared about safety, they'd
have a strong anti-smoking campaign. Do Japanese cigarette packets have the manditory warning labels (eg:
"Smoking causes cancer") like the US and Australia?
とりあえず⦠- Yuriko - 04-11-2004
OK, I
can still read the topic with my sister's computer...
They have some kind of: "Let's not
smoke too much, because it's not soooo good for your health, alright?!" sentences on the packets. I
had to laugh in the subway, when I saw a cigarette ad and read the sentence for the first time.
とりあえず⦠- Nez - 04-11-2004
Heh,
that's laughable. <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laughlong.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':laugh2:' />
とりあえず⦠- Nez - 04-11-2004
Yuriko has
sent me the [url="http://www.kagoshima.med.or.jp/people/topic/H16/168.htm"]link[/url] to
the site with the Japanese cigarette warnings.
I can hardly read the warning because of the damn kanji...
and Yuriko says her Japanese is crap, that makes me feel great. <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' />
とりあえず⦠- Yuriko - 04-11-2004
No!
Don't be sad! Those Kanji are wicked! But since I feared you might get sad, I logged in with
my sister's computer in order to submit you the kanji readings! <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/happy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='^_^' />
Anata no kenkou wo sokonau osore ga arimasu node suisugi ni chuuni
shimashou!
I hope the readings are correct... (=> "Because it might be possible that it could
not be good for your health, let's take care not to smoke too much" or something...)
We have
those big black framed warnings on cigarette packets recently in Germany, among the usual warnings like
"Smoking kills!" "Smoking causes cancer!", etc. are new ones:
"Smoking
let's your skin age faster!"
"Smoking harms your sperms and fertility!"
and
more... <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />
とりあえず⦠- number9 - 04-11-2004
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id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If the Japanese government really cared about safety, they'd have a strong
anti-smoking campaign. Do Japanese cigarette packets have the manditory warning labels (eg: "Smoking causes
cancer") like the US and Australia? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
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If Western governments really cared about safety, they'd make cigarettes illegal. But
that doesn't happen. Is it because of all the taxes on cigarettes? <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> I agree with Yuriko's translation.
とりあえず⦠- Mabuta - 04-11-2004
I suggest
Yuriko and Nez should be the offical translators of this forum. You could translate everything written in
Japanese to either romaji or English, preferably to both.
<img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laughlong.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':laugh2:' />
OK, before you start bombarding me with angry posts and
e-mails:
it was a joke.
:rasp:
I think you'd make a lovely translation team, though!
<img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/whistling.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wait:' />
とりあえず⦠- number9 - 04-12-2004
Win2k
+ Netscape 7.1
の環境では書き込めるかな？
出来た！
…
けど、XP and/or IE6
の人はこれが見えないんだよね
…
とりあえず⦠- yongfook - 04-18-2004
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とりあえず⦠- lisako - 04-19-2004
このファックやろうと同じよう
にね <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' />
とりあえず⦠- Nez - 04-19-2004
It's
because you use language like that that you come third in speech contests. :nah:
とりあえず⦠- number9 - 04-19-2004
I
can't read yong's post, so the reply's a feckin' mystery <img src='http://www.halvsie.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ph34r:' />